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Robman |
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June 11, 2005 01:21:29pm |
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etree
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Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun |
I'm trying to upgrade my copy of the Dead's 2/14/68 show. Several reviewers noted that the cut in the "Mountain Jam" segment of "Alligator" could be filled using a splice from "Anthem of the Sun." I can hear that the two versions are the same, but after much fooling about I was still unable to locate the exact segment on "Anthem." Can anyone point me in the right direction? I'm tired of trying to reinvent the wheel. Thanks!
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Jim F |
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June 11, 2005 01:44:23pm |
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Re: Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun |
I can never get tired of listening to that performance..
And the two are not entirely the same. there is a good portion of the jam cut from the album. The album version of Alligator runs a good few minutes shorter.
The missing segment can be found on the Anthem album from about 8:24-9:36. At 9:40-ish is where they cut from 2/14 into them yelling "Alligator!" from the studio portion.
To match them up, go to 11:33 of the 2/14 version.
That should do you right.
By the way, the Anthem album seems faster than the source I have of 2/14, when it cuts back from the album to the circulating tape, it sounds slower.
This post was modified by Jim F on 2005-06-11 20:44:23
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Robman |
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June 12, 2005 12:52:17pm |
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etree
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Re: Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun |
Hey Jim,
Many thanks for the help! You were spot on, to the second. I cut the volume of the AOTS splice by 3.3 dB and shifted the pitch of the post-cut SBD tracks by +75 cents--to these old ears, it sounds pretty darned good! (I found the speed of the AOTS splice and the pre-cut SBD to be close enough for government purposes--when I tried to shift the pitch of the AOTS splice, it sounded worse.) Thanks again! I probably would have thrown in the towel without your help.
By the way, if you haven't heard the "new" version on the Archive, check out the encore: not only does it have the end of "Midnight Hour," but also an announcement from the stage about the next day's concert at San Quentin, and it ends with a most appropriate sigh of contentment from the radio announcer after he informs the FM audience that the show is over!
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Jim F |
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June 12, 2005 04:09:44pm |
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Re: Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun |
Glad I could help! I've lovingly spent time doing various edits to that show, to get it just exactly perfect. I might even remaster my source again to get the pitch right...
I once found an MP3 source (in 2000) from that show that sounded terrible, but had the COMPLETE Alligator, and the post show banter. I don't know where it came from, but EVERY other source I've seen has the cut. I first used it to cover the cut, but the Anthem album sounds so much better.
Listen to it again folks! Primal Dead!!!
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mickey622 |
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June 21, 2005 06:04:40am |
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Re: Alligator: 2/14/68 & Anthem of the Sun |
Great. Now you got me all primed up to put Anthem on my mp3 player. Weird, cause in the last day or so I've been wondering why I haven't done it sooner and then saw this post.
Thanks for the nudge. It's still one of my favorite Dead Albums (yes, Album... I still have mine, though of course I replaced it with the CD).
I advise everybody to listen to as much '68 Dead as they can.
Psychedelic Stuff to be sure.
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